As with OMD, I'm not a big fan of Moby's work — don't hate it, but it just doesn't move me — and yet, I found the guy truly enjoyable to talk to. Definitely one of my favorite ShockHound interviews from this year's SXSW...
Moby: Going To California
Interview by Dan Epstein
One of the most ubiquitous and successful artists in electronic music over the past two decades, Moby has always seemed like a quintessentially New York individual: intellectual and introspective, yet also completely plugged into the night life. The romance of NYC has always been an important part of his musical and visual aesthetic, as well, which is why it came as something of a shock to learn — in the middle of this ShockHound interview — that he's recently upped stakes and relocated to Los Angeles, the very antithesis of everything New York City supposedly stands for.
The idea of Moby ditching Manhattan for the City of Angels may be a bit jarring — but as with everything else in his life, the man born Richard Melville Hall has put a lot of thought into the move, and he lays out his reasons behind it in our interview, which also covers his forthcoming album and book project Destroyed, the Japanese aesthetic concept of wabi-sabi, and the artistic inspiration that comes from emptiness.
SHOCKHOUND: Destroyed is both a new album and a new photo book. How do the two relate to each other?
MOBY: The music was written on tour, and the book is a bunch of tour-based photographs, but it’s a really unconventional touring book; a lot of music touring books involve pictures of guitars, pictures of set lists, and grainy black and white shots of a musician on stage looking soulful. This is more about the disconcerting aspects of tour — hopefully from a fairly formal perspective, because I’ve been taking pictures since I was 10 years old. I finally have sort of worked up the courage to put out a photo book.
SHOCKHOUND: When you’re talking about more of the disconcerting aspects of tour, what are you referring to?
MOBY: When I was growing up, I never expected to have a career as a musician. I thought I’d probably teach community college somewhere in upstate New York and get a job at Kinko's. I never expected to have a career as a musician, and I certainly never expected to go on tour, so at first traveling was so exciting; the strange aspects of traveling just seemed glamorous and interesting. And then as time passes, you just realize there’s not a lot of glamour on tour, which is not the complaint. I have to be really clear: I vowed a long time ago never to be a complaining musician, because when a musician complains about the rigors of touring they’re just being a douchebag. If you wanna not be a touring musician you can quit, so I’m not complaining about it. But being on tour...I’m sure you’ve had similar experiences where you live in these environments that ostensibly look familiar, but they’re not. You check into a hotel room and it’s structured to be sort of reassuring and familiar, but it’s also the most anonymous place in the planet. You can have this odd juxtaposition of being backstage by yourself in a soulless empty room, and then all of a sudden you’re on stage in front of 50,000 people having this big emotional experience, then you’re back by yourself in this weird basement room. On a cognitive, neurochemical level, it does really strange things to you. I think that’s one reason why a lot of musicians turn to liquor and drugs, just to try and manage their neurochemistry and sort of offset the strangeness.
SHOCKHOUND: Not to mention the high from performing and the inevitable low that follows.
MOBY: For a lot of musicians, you’re on stage, you’re pouring your heart out, and it’s passionate, and the audience loves everything. And then you’re on the tour bus watching Arrested Development Season Two, which is fine; but even though the brain is pretty adaptive and intrepid, it’s just not built to process these extreme highs and extreme lows in such a short period of time.
SHOCKHOUND: Musically, how does Destroyer relate to that? Is the music redolent of those experiences, or is it built to take the edge off those experiences?
MOBY: The music on Destroyer is electronic music that’s made with broken down, old pieces of equipment because I really love old equipment. Not too sound too pretentious — I already do — but there’s this Japanese concept “wabi-sabi” which means, essentially, as things start to fall apart they become more interesting; an old bucket is more interesting than a new bucket, an old photograph is arguably more interesting than a new photograph, and it’s one of the reasons why I love old equipment. So all the instruments on the record are old synthesizers, old drum machines, old effects pedals, old microphones, to make an electronic music record that doesn’t sound like a very modern electronic music record. It’s more atmospheric and emotional; but because a lot of the music was written in hotel rooms when I have insomnia, it does have a slightly disconcerting quality to it. So even if it’s emotional, and hopefully warm and atmospheric, it’s still a little bit disconcerting. It’s an experience I have a lot, where it’s 4 o’clock in the morning, I haven’t slept in a long time, I have insomnia, I’m looking out the window...Some cities are awake at four in the morning, most cities are not, so you’re in your hotel room looking out the window, and you feel like the world has always been empty. That moment where you’re like, "The sun's never been up, it’s never going to come up again, there’s no other people on the planet," it’s like this odd solipsism. I think the album, at least from my perspective, is fueled by that.
SHOCKHOUND: Are you familiar with Giacometti's sculpture, The Palace At 4 A.M.? The moment you describe reminds me of the feeling I get from that piece.
MOBY: It’s funny you say that, because one of my favorite painters is Giorgio de Chirico; it’s a similar aesthetic, where it’s just a lot of emptiness and it’s not scary emptiness, not off-putting emptiness. Even Edward Hopper to an extent was just saying, "Oh, here’s the world at its emptiest, and it's beautiful but off-putting at the same time."
SHOCKHOUND: But New York, where you live, almost never feels empty...
MOBY: Oh, I live in LA now. Look. [Pulls out LA Dodgers cap.] I even got the hat.
SHOCKHOUND: When did you make the move to LA?
MOBY: Three months ago. I was born in New York and grew up in suburban Connecticut; moved back to New York in the mid-'80s because I always fetishized Manhattan and New York. It’s where the Velvet Underground were from, and where Dylan Thomas had lived, and Leonard Cohen wrote “Chelsea Hotel.” Like, New York to me was the epicenter of everything sort of crumbling and fantastic in art and music and literature. It just isn’t, anymore. My neighborhood, the Lower East Side — by day, it's now a shopping mall for hedge fund managers, and at night it’s where drunk Europeans and hedge fund managers can throw up on each other. I moved to LA because LA still has that crumbling strangeness to it. I’ve spent my entire life traveling, and I can say LA is the weirdest, ever. There’s places like Hong Kong are strange, but LA is strange in its strangeness. Like, New York in the '80s was strange and unrelentingly rough. LA is weird because where I live in Hollywood, you go one mile this way and there’s methadone clinics; you go one mile this way, it’s ten-million dollar houses; you go one mile this way, it’s cougars eating house cats; and you go one mile this way and it’s people drinking organic coffee, listening to KCRW. So the fact that one city, one little radius can incorporate and accommodate all this different weirdness, I’m fascinated by it. Going back to your question talking about how New York is not an empty city, I think that’s another reason why I moved. Being in LA there’s so much emptiness. For a city of 12 million people, you can find an awful lot of emptiness. Whether it’s being on the 101 at 3 o’clock in the morning, or up on Mulholland Drive at midnight on a Tuesday, it’s the same thing — there’s just this sense of entropic space which I really like. It freaks me out, but I really like it.
SHOCKHOUND: It’s interesting you say that, because I'm originally from New York, and I’ve lived in LA for seventeen years now and I’ve never gotten bored. There are always new things to discover.
MOBY: Yeah, I went to dinner the other night; it was the coolest dinner I think I’ve ever been to in my entire life. It was a dinner for Tadao Ando, the architect. He’s a Japanese architect; he’s almost like a sculptor who works with concrete — except he makes buildings, and they’re really empty. Really, really empty. So, it was a dinner in honor of him, and it was at this famous John Lautner house called the “Chemosphere,” the round one that Troy McClure lives in on the Simpsons. I was talking to this man who edited the Taschen book on Los Angeles, and he’s like the most renowned historian about Los Angeles’ strangeness. He knows the history of LA but he especially knows about the weirdness of it. We just sat there and talked and talked about how LA can be irritating, and how LA can drive you crazy, it’s never boring. And that is amazing, because I get bored pretty easily, and I have to say it’s one of the reasons I left New York: New York started to bore me. There’s too many rich people, and all they’re doing is spending money and throwing up on each other. It’s like spring break for entitled hedge fund managers.
SHOCKHOUND: Have you made any music in Los Angeles yet?
MOBY: Well, I moved into this crazy old house in Beachwood Canyon, and I’m building my studio right now. I play [Led Zeppelin's] "Going to California" on the acoustic guitar, but I haven’t actually been writing too much of my own music because the studio is under construction. It’s this weird old house that’s one of those legendary Hollywood houses. The Rolling Stones lived there when they made Cocksucker Blues. Marlon Brando lived there for a while. Weird stuff has just happened there...Not to keep rambling on about LA, but when you drive around the Hollywood Dell, or Beachwood Canyon, or Old Hollywood, it’s just so random. You see these houses, these big beautiful palaces next to weird mid-century houses and they’re inches apart from each other. I love the fact that every night when you go to sleep in LA, you’re not sure if it’s going to be there when you wake up. You just wonder how this city still exists. It’s barely functioning, especially Hollywood. The rest of it, Brentwood, Beverly Hills, they have good streets, they have stoplights that work; and Hollywood is like this crumbling disastrous mess that reinvents itself every day.