
Several months back, I had the pleasure of interviewing Ken Holtzman, the winningest Jewish pitcher of all time (174 career victories to Sandy Koufax's 165), for a new Jewish culture mag called JLiving. Known as "The Thinker" back in his playing days for his estimable intellect, Mr. Holtzman graciously provided me with some very thoughtful answers indeed to questions on everything from duelling with Koufax to dealing with anti-Semitism.
In fact, Mr. Holtzman gave me more good stuff than I could fit into the piece; you can read my JLiving feature at this link (just click on the widget in the left/top corner of the home page, and flip to p. 28), but for additional thoughts on his career, life, reading habits, anti-Semitism and the Designated Hitter rule that didn't make it into the published piece, read on...
BIG HAIR & PLASTIC GRASS: Of all your baseball accomplishments, which remains the most satisfying to you: Winning three World Series rings as a member of the Oakland A’s, pitching two no-hitters for the Cubs, or being the winningest Jewish pitcher of all time?
KEN HOLTZMAN: Of the three choices given, I would say winning the three rings is tops. However, I've said many times my biggest thrill and accomplishment remains the first time I walked onto Wrigley Field in a Cubs uniform because it validated all the hard work and sacrifices that I made to reach the big leagues. The other milestones were very satisfying but, in a sense, anti-climactic. Achieving a childhood dream is hard to surpass.

BH&PG: Some writers dubbed you “The Thinker,” since you seemed much more intellectually inclined than your baseball peers — and I’m pretty sure you’re the only major leaguer in history who’s ever been quoted as saying you preferred to read Proust in the original French. Where did your intellectual curiosity come from? Do you think your intelligence gave you an advantage as a pitcher?
HOLTZMAN: Baseball, to a large extent, is an instinctive sport in which "book smarts", as the players like to refer to them, are only good for winning chess and bridge tournaments in the clubhouse. The only intelligence which is relevant is that which is needed to make day to day adjustments in order to compete with the best players in the world and not get overwhelmed. In order to reach the big leagues and STAY in the big leagues one must have an innate knowledge of the game including its strategy and techniques. There are no dummies in the big leagues and, to me, one's college grade point average should equal one's ERA. (I think my career ERA is about 3.4 which is just about my career college G.P.A.)

BH&PG: Reggie Jackson recently claimed that Billy Martin’s anti-Semitism was to blame for your troubled tenure with the Yankees. Do you think that’s an accurate assessment? Did you encounter a significant amount of anti-Semitism during your playing career? If so, was it from teammates and opposing players, or more from the “old school” managers and owners you encountered?
HOLTZMAN: I encountered my share of anti-semitic insults during my career from fans, players and other persons associated with the game. New York was no different but I chose not to let it affect me as I was dedicated to my craft and felt that any distraction from the job at hand was not fair to me, my teammates and the people that hired me. Sometimes, on a deeply personal level, I had to confront it directly like I did when I was growing up and since I never ran from anything in my life I wasn't about to run away from some bigot without a face to face challenge.
Once, in the amateur leagues in St. Louis, I was on a team without any other Jewish players and during one game in a very rural part of the state, an opposing player kept yelling anti-semitic insults and threats at me throughout the whole game from their bench. Finally, this same player came to bat and I was glaring at him the whole time he stepped to the plate. Our catcher (A very close Catholic friend of mine who I literally grew up with) called time and came to the mound and started laughing because he knew what I was going to do. He said, "look, if you're going going to get him, wait till the 3rd or 4th pitch so he could warn everybody else to be ready for some action." On the first pitch, I tried to throw a slow curve away so that he would begin to lean over the plate and provide an even bigger target on the subsequent pitch. I did the same thing on the second pitch but he stuck out his bat and hit a weak grounder back to me and then, all of a sudden, instead of running right to first base, he threw his bat at me and then started to run. With the ball in my hand I'll confess I had thoughts of being the first pitcher to throw a knock down pitch to a base runner on his way to first. Unfortunately, my catcher tackled the guy and prevented me from getting to him. My father was at the game and he came out of the stands and tried to get at the guy as well. All hell broke loose with the fans and the cops had to restore order.
Believe it or not, about 40 years later, this same player came to the JCC where I was working, introduced himself and promptly apologized for his behavior 40 years earlier. I immediately accepted, told him I never forgot the incident, and that he was lucky I didn't get to flatten him and break 3 of his ribs. We both laughed, went out and had a beer together, and still stay in touch. By the way, during my 15 year career, the high holidays frequently occurred during the season and every manager was respectful of my wish to go to services and not attend the game those days.

BH&PG: You were no Hank Greenberg at the plate, but you did hit a cumulative .308 in the post-season, with three doubles and a homer. Was it frustrating for you when the Designated Hitter rule was established, effectively taking the bat out of your hands during the regular season? In retrospect, what do you think of the DH?
HOLTZMAN: I personally like the DH because it enabled me to stay in the game longer and not be pinch hit for. I never wanted to be taken out of a game, regardless of the score or situation, and the DH enabled me to pitch more innings even though I would have to face one more tough hitter in a line-up than existed in the National League. I also think, theoretically, it should speed up the game. The way the game has evolved, however, even American League games suffer from all too frequent pitching changes and specialization consequently resulting in longer game times.

BH&PG: How is life treating you these days? And have you read any good books lately?
HOLTZMAN: I still live about 35 miles from St. Louis and still go to several Cardinal games especially when one of my former teammates or other friends still in the game visits our area. I did attend Game 7 [of the 2011 World Series] with some friends and went to Mike Shannon's restaurant afterwards for the local celebration and chance to see some of my old baseball teammates and friends who were in town for the Series. I am retired now and travel occasionally to see my grand-daughters and other family members around the country so I am staying busy and on top of things. I read less these days but I make up for it by relentlessly doing crossworld puzzles, the harder the better.

(Thanks again to Ken Holtzman for taking the time to speak with me, and Debbie Gallas of the Oakland A's for setting up the interview.)